Third Generation

19. Miss Caroline Amelia PHILP was born about Dec 1852 in Bermondsey, (Surrey).^60,63 [Birth note: (Dec 2006) Amelia from marriage to Robert Liddle in 1859 and birth in Dec 1852](Jan 2009: What is ref to Robert Liddle? Should it be T Hopkins in 1872?)
NB original source of a Caroline Philp was from letter from Edward Philp 1980. About 1881 she was a Brush Maker in Bermondsey, (Surrey).⁶⁰ [General note: Jan 2009: FBMD marriage of a Caroline Amelia Hopkins Sep q 1887 St Olave 1d 401 Joseph Frederick Hagell / Hazell or Edward James Jones]
1891 census RG/12 493 f 73 p 64 S No 449 has Caroline Amelia Hazell 38 b London Rotherhithe and Joseph Fredk Hazell 56 Tailor b London Camberwell with Joseph Wm son 3 b Camberwell and Caroline Sophia d 1 b Camberwell. (on Ancestry 1891 a part family Davis is above with no S No and no address and previous p is 62 - no p 63 - and S Nos also missing)(fmp has previous as p63 in folio 73 with last S No as 447 part family Davis in 419 Old Kent Road)(IGI LDS has JF Hagell born c 1835 St Anne Camberwell with wife C A Hopkins.)(IGI also has parents John and Mary Elizth Hagell and chr 19 Oct 1834 in St. Mary Magdalene Bermondsey. SCN 0254552 pr)(1851 has Hagell aged 16 as Tailor's Apprentice)

Miss Caroline Amelia PHILP and Mr Joseph Frederick HAG/ZELL were married about Sep 1887 in St Olave Rd.⁶⁴ Mr Joseph Frederick HAG/ZELL was born about 1835.^65,66 [Birth note: aged 56 in 1891 and married to Caroline Amelia. From FBMD found a marriage of CA Hopkins to a JF Hazell in Sep q 1887 in St Olave Rd (her husband Thomas Peter Hopkins had died in Sep q 1874)] Note FBMD also has Hagell as a marriage entry. cf FBMD entry for birth of daughter Caroline Hagell in Dec q 1889.
1851 has Hagell aged 16 as Tailor's Apprentice b Camberwell with parents John and Mary. 1841 (Surrey) as Hagele aged 6 BiC Y with parents John and Mary [General note: see Caroline Amelia Philp General Note]
IGI LDS has a marriage of a John Hagell to a Mary Elizabeth Hagell c 1834 Camberwell. Also John chr 29 Nov 1807 St Mary Magdalen Canterbury Kent (qqq) and death Jan 1884. Camberwell. Also Mary born c 1811 St George Bloomsbury.
(Also IGI JH marriage to ME Booth 16 Sep 1827 Newington) Miss Caroline Amelia PHILP and Mr Joseph Frederick HAG/ZELL had the following children:

39	i.	Mr Joseph William HAZELL was born about Dec 1887 in Camberwell.67,68 [[Birth note: aged 3 in 1891][FBMD as Hagell Dec q 1887 typewritten]]
40	ii.	Miss Caroline Sophia HAZELL was born about 1890 in Camberwell.69,70 [[Birth note: aged 1 in 1891][FBMD has Hagell Dec q 1889 typewritten]]

Miss Caroline Amelia PHILP and Mr Thomas Peter HOPKINS were married about Dec 1872 in St Olave R-d.^24,71 [[Marriage note: 1881 Census][FBMD gave name (Dec 2006)]] Mr Thomas Peter HOPKINS was born about Jun 1849 in Bermondsey R-d.⁷² He died about Sep 1874 in St Olave R-d.⁷³