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9. Mr Richard Hooper Ross PHILP was born before 11 Jan 1815.6 [[Birth note: Marr 1841 of full age therefore probably over 21. therefore born before 1820]
[UPDATE. A long road but at last we have found him!! Philp family has a tradition that they came from Wales. A family business card of a Frederick Philp is given as Innkeeper in a small place near Haverfordwest. We found one on 1851 Wales census in Cartlett, Haverfordwest: aged 35 as an Innkeeper born in Plymouth. (Therefore b c 1816) We found him aged 45 on 1861 Wales, born Devon. On 1871 in England aged 55 as a gilder: note the same wife as 1861, so same person, but born in Devonport. We found a FBMD marriage possibility and sent off for certificate to see if his father was Thomas (Printer) and therefore probably a brother of RHRP. ** see below.
In the meantime Christine went into Genuki and found a reference to a site where someone had transcribed some Stoke Damerel BapMarrBur's because they are nowhere else on web. She requested data and incredibly found several children of a Thomas (Bookbinder, Printer or Stationer) and Mary Philp, including a Frederick Bozon, but too old (born 1810) and also found RHRP!!
We then found that Frederick was buried soon after. Therefore Innkeeper in Wales probably a later son.
We found a daughter with a middle name Wilkins and then a possible marriage of a Mary Wilkins to a Thomas Philp on IGI in 1801. Entry is as Transcribed (we need to see original)
RHRP Baptised 11 Jan 1815 (Father living in the Dock (later called Devonport) area working as a Printer). He could have been born years earlier as several siblings baptised when 4 or more. (We may be able to find him on 1841 with a bit of luck, but will not give birthplace or proper age)]]
** (Now have Marr Cert: FP m MP: Fr T P. Printer: a witness was EJP. - hooray!) He was baptized on 11 Jan 1815 in Stoke Damerel.22 [Baptism note: Abode, Dock. Occupation of father, Printer] About 1841 he was a Mariner ? whaler. [Occupation note: source, Mariner on Marriage document]. He died 1854 ?Mar. [Death fact: from Ted Philp] Did he die at sea?

Mr Richard Hooper Ross PHILP and Miss Caroline BOOTH were married on 24 Jul 1841 in Fleet Street, London, St Bride.23 [Marriage note: MPB1 is a copy of a Certified Copy. RC ref MPB1.
1841. Parish Church in the Parish of St Bride, London.
Entry no illegible (296?),
July 24.
RHRP: of full age, a Mariner, living at 22 New Street Square.
Father: Thomas PHILP, a Printer.
CB: of full age, living at 22 New Street Square.
Father: William BOOTH, a Tailor. *****
After Banns by Herbert Lascelles.
Witnesses: John Booth ( poss bro ):
Eliza Julia PHILP (assumed sister; see IGI, Fr Thomas, Mr Mary, Chr 31 Dec 1828):
Mary Ann Rose Kemp PHILP (assumed sis; see IGI, Fr Thomas, Mr Mary, Chr 31 Dec 1828)(UPDATE: MARKP Marr cert in 1855 has father Thomas, Printer.)
Cert no MXA 773017, West London, dated 24 Nov 2000, unsigned.
(AN PASB248512/20000.)]( also on IGI and FBMD)
***** Not with family on 1841 Census. Query dead? Miss Caroline BOOTH (daughter of Mr William BOOTH and Miss Sarah BOOTH] W OF WILLIAM) was born before 29 Oct 1817 in St Mary Magdalene, Bermondsey, Surrey.24,25,26 [[[[Birth note: 1881 Census, aged 63, born, Bermondsey, Surrey][1851 aged 33][Chr 1817][1841 in Southwark, aged 20 (query rounded down?), BiC Y, with Sarah, George and Sophia etc]]]](See 1891: a Caroline Liddle as a Widow aged 73 in an Institution called 'St Peters House' born in Bermondsey)(poss death aged 77 in 1894) She was christened on 29 Oct 1817 in Bermondsey, St Mary Magdalene.27 [[Christening note: IGI has same age and 'birth' place as 1881 Census: therefore assume same person][<IGI>(BN P001582: SCN 0254552 (Par. Reg.)]] She lived in Deptford, 38 Grove Lane, St. Paul, Deptford about 1851.14 [Resided at note: 1851. With a Susan Philp, Mar, 25, Mariner's wife, b Kent, Folkestone] She lived about 1881. She died about 1894 in Lambeth R-d.28 [Death note: FBMD as Liddle aged 77 in 1894 if 'ours'] Mr Richard Hooper Ross PHILP and Miss Caroline BOOTH had the following children:

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i.

Mr Richard Hooper Ross PHILP.

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ii.

Miss Caroline Amelia PHILP.

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iii.

Lal ? (Alexis ?) PHILP.

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iv.

Mr George PHILP died.

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v.

Mr Thomas John PHILP died.